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Powder Diffraction Structure Solution Pathways

Solving an Organic Structure (Cimetidine - C 10 H 16 N6 S) from Powder Diffraction Data

Add Calculated Hydrogens to Cimetidine using the Crystals Single Crystal Suite

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[Back to: Peak Profiling of Cimetidine using XFIT]
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[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using the Sireware EXPO direct methods software]
[Back to: Finding possibly missing Symmetry in cimetidine using the Platon ADDSYM option]
[Back to: Searching the Cambridge database via Platon and Quest for related strutures]
[Back to: Generating a 2D to 3D fragement for fragment searching using the web based CORINA; then getting into a Shelx format using Ortep-3]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using Sir97 Single Crystal Direct Methods Software]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using Dirdif fragment searching]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using ESPOIR with no restraints]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using ESPOIR with bond restraints]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using ESPOIR with a combination of rigid bodies freely moving atoms]
[Back to: Add Calculated Hydrogens using the Crystals Single Crystal Suite]
[Back to: Add Calculated Hydrogens using Shelxl-97 via SXGRAPH and WinGX]

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This example uses example Cimetidine data from the EXPO software


At present (September 2000) Rietveld programs are not as powerful for calculating hydrogen positions and setting found and calculated hydrogens refining as riding atoms. Thus it can be easier to use a single crystal program to provide calculated hydrogen positions.

(This is most reliable if you know where the hydrogens are located. Care - and some confirming NMR spectra may be required)

Now having refined the structure using a Rietveld program (such as LHPM-Rietica, Fullprof, GSAS, etc), it would be a good idea to add calculated hydrogens where possible as this is part of the total scattering intensity you are trying to model.

In the following case, it will be assumed that the structure has been refined in LHPM-Rietica (though it is the same procedure if this was a Fullprof or GSAS file).

Obtain a dummy Shelx HKL file

Obtain a dummy HKL file in Shelx format (using the Le Bail extracted HKL file would be OK but any HKL file will do). Some parts of Crystals will not be happy unless it can see a dummary HKL file.

If you don't have a dummy Shelx HKL file click here to obtain one.


Ortep-3 MS Windows - Louis J. Farrugia Run Louis Farrugia's Ortep-3 and load the LHPM-Rietica input file (or Fullprof or GSAS), then save it as a Shelx INS file using the File, Write Shelx File menu option. This will create a file named Shelx001.ins.

The Shelx file probably does not have the SFAC for Hydrogen so it would be good to add this in now. Manually edit the Shelx file and change:

SFAC      S   N   C
UNIT      1   6  10
to:
SFAC      S   N   C   H
UNIT      1   6  10   9

You may like to copy this file into a new directory before running Crystals (or any other single crystal suite)

Converting LHPM input file into Shelx format


WinCRYSTALS 2000 (Crystals for Windows Single Crystal Suite) - David Watkin

WinCRYSTALS 2000 (Crystals for Windows Single Crystal Suite) - David Watkin

Run Crystals and select the working directory using File, New Working Directory

Import the Shelx file using X-ray Data, Shelx file (INS or RES). As Crystals cannot interpret the Shelx symmetry operators to obtain a spacegroup symbol, when prompted input the spacegroup (P 21/A)

Inputting the Spacegroup Symbol

If Crystals has the number of atoms to search for in the Shelx file incorrect, input the correct number of atoms (in this case 17 instead of 8). If prompted, there are no Q peaks to rename, you don't want to look at the structure in cameron, and keep the present atom numbering.

Importing the Shelx file into Crystals

Now select X-ray Data, Reflection data and import a dummary HKL file. It does not really matter what options you use as long as this file goes in. For outputting the structure later, Crystals can be unhappy if you do not have an HKL data file.


Automatic Placement of Hydrogens but some Inaccurate Assignments

A note from David Watkin on this (in the context of Rietveld refinement before placing the hydrogens):

Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:46:27 +0100 (BST)
From: David Watkin [[email protected]]
To: Lachlan Cranswick [[email protected]]

I've looked at the cimetidine structure. Instead of trying to put H atoms
on just now, you would be better off using restraints to get the bond
lengths correct.  The C4-C17 bond on 1.7 A cannot be right - ie it is
wrong, so should be put right.  The C-Cmeth is short, so CRYSTALS thinks it
is SP2, as is the N-Cmeth.  A student last year wrote code to put H on N,
which will go into some future release, but guessing N hybridisatioon from
bond lengths is even more risky than C.

More information on "To restrain - or not to restrain"

Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:18:59 +0100 (BST)
From: David Watkin [[email protected]]
To: Lachlan Cranswick [[email protected]]

This is a deep philisophical problem, and draws in the
Bayesian/non-Bayesian people.  The non-Bayesians say that each experinent
should be treated as separate from any other, so you just refine as best
you can with the x-ray data you have.  The Baysians say that this is
daft.  If some other good experiment has given good values for something,
you should include this knowlwdge in the current process.  The trick is to
know what weight to give this external information.  A weight of zero makes
it a non-Baysian calculation.  A weight of infinity makes it a constrained
calculation. Other weights lead to restraints. 

Im a Bayesian myself.  If a bond length is weird, either its a fantastic
discovery, or its wrong.  If it's wrong - what's the point in publishing
it?  Put it right.  If the Rfactor goes up, then the data is rubbish and
needs improving.  If it stays about the same, then the data doesn't define the
parameter - but it may also fall showing that the trial model was poor.  If
one parameter is left at a poor value, others may take on incorrect values
to try to compensate - this is because the parameters are always correllated!

		Best wishes
					David

Automatic Placement of Hydrogens but some Inaccurate Assignments - cont'd

With the given caveates above: select Structure, Add Hydrogen and Crystals will now calculate the position of hydrogens off the carbon positions.

Note that depending on the accuracy of the Rietveld refinement to give decent bonds lengths and angles, Crystals may not get the correct Carbon type as it assumes high quality single crystal data is being used. For example it has not picked up the Methyl carbons correctly. One solution (most likely dodgy given the above comments by David Watkin) is to add the hydrogens to the offending carbons via scripts

Adding calculated Hydrogens menu

Calculated hydrogens are added


Semi-Automatic Placement of Hydrogens

The above assignments were not adding the Methyl hydrogens correctly because the Rietveld refinement is not providing accurate enough atomic positions. As an exercise (in this case noting a bond length restrained Rietveld refinement may be a better option before proceeding) we will manually add the hydrogens to the two Methyl Carbons, then automatically add hydrogens to the rest of the carbon atoms where they are applicable. At present manual addition of hydrogens is done by the script interface but it can be expected this will also migrate to the GUI menu system in the near future.

If you have the hydrogens placed incorrectly already, select Structure, Remove Hydrogen

Structure with hydrogens removed


The options for hydrogen placement can be found with the computer based manual by selecting Help, Manual, Atomic and Structural Parameters; then select the webpage option of Hydrogen placing - \HYDROGENS

Via the bottom left script interface into Crystals (up arrow goes through previous commands), type:

\HYDROGENS and [ENTER]
H33 - then (using the mouse) graphically select the terminal C(15) carbon and two linking atoms - C(8) and C(13), and [ENTER]
H33 - then (using the mouse) graphically select the terminal C(16) carbon and two linking atoms - N(2) and C(11), and [ENTER]
END - to tell Crystals to perform the above instructions

The Sequence would look like the following on the script command line:


\HYDROGENS 
H33  C(15)  C(8)  C(13) 
H33  C(16)  N(2)  C(11) 
end

The will result in the C(15) and C(16) atoms having methyl hydrogens added to them.

Adding calculated Methyl Hydrogens manually


Now select Structure, Add Hydrogen and Crystals will now calculate the remaining hydrogen positions off the carbon positions.

Remaining calculated hydrogens are added


Exporting the Structure from Crystals

An option on the latest Crystals is to select Publish, Platon which will output a Shelx *.RES file (after trying to spawn Platon).

If you do not want to spawn Platon, you could do the following from the script interface:

#FOREIGN PLATON
END


TITL THIS IS THE DEFAULT SETTING FOR THE TITL
CELL  0.71073 10.395 18.821  6.825  90.000 106.438  90.000
LATT  -1
SYMM  -X,Y+0.500,-Z
SFAC S      6.9053   1.4679   5.2034  22.2151   1.4379   0.2536   1.5863 = 
           56.1720   0.8669   0.1100   0.1240    53.20   1.1100  32.0600
SFAC N     12.2126   0.0057   3.1322   9.8933   2.0125  28.9975   1.1663 = 
            0.5826 -11.5290   0.0040   0.0030     1.96   0.7700  14.0070
SFAC C      2.3100  20.8439   1.0200  10.2075   1.5886   0.5687   0.8650 = 
           51.6512   0.2156   0.0020   0.0020     1.15   0.7700  12.0110
SFAC H      0.4930  10.5109   0.3229  26.1257   0.1402   3.1424   0.0408 = 
           57.7997   0.0030   0.0000   0.0000     0.06   0.3200   1.0080
UNIT    1.   6.  10.   9.

 
C10         3   0.14537   0.10713   0.50226   1.00000   0.15986
C17         3   0.23076   0.24856   0.05105   1.00000   0.15986
N3          2   0.12718   0.26397  -0.09963   1.00000   0.15986
N7          2   0.66623   0.01321   1.01608   1.00000   0.15986
S1          1  -0.01505   0.08600   0.28664   1.00000   0.15986
C9          3   0.62545   0.04915   0.86588   1.00000   0.15986
N6          2   0.59361   0.09115   0.70675   1.00000   0.15986
N5          2   0.21112   0.18304   0.14418   1.00000   0.15986
C8          3   0.02054   0.21236  -0.14908   1.00000   0.15986
C15         3  -0.10662   0.21903  -0.31759   1.00000   0.15986
N4          2   0.36836   0.05358   0.62421   1.00000   0.15986
C11         3   0.46025   0.09684   0.55470   1.00000   0.15986
C13         3   0.08636   0.16318   0.01014   1.00000   0.15986
N2          2   0.45503   0.12767   0.38842   1.00000   0.15986
C16         3   0.56797   0.15719   0.33445   1.00000   0.15986
C14         3   0.23440   0.03529   0.45789   1.00000   0.15986
C12         3   0.02512   0.08897   0.02411   1.00000   0.15986
H1          4  -0.10683   0.26514  -0.39046   1.00000   0.19183
H2          4  -0.18471   0.21758  -0.25939   1.00000   0.19183
H3          4  -0.11353   0.17883  -0.41585   1.00000   0.19183
H4          4   0.53697   0.17855   0.19481   1.00000   0.19183
H5          4   0.61082   0.19476   0.43547   1.00000   0.19183
H6          4   0.63465   0.11878   0.33554   1.00000   0.19183
H99         4   0.13071   0.10621   0.64086   1.00000   0.19183
H98         4   0.18687   0.15348   0.48198   1.00000   0.19183
H97         4   0.31339   0.27848   0.09619   1.00000   0.19183
H96         4   0.19503  -0.01093   0.48470   1.00000   0.19183
H95         4   0.24466   0.03504   0.31657   1.00000   0.19183
H94         4  -0.05884   0.08242  -0.09017   1.00000   0.19183
H93         4   0.09082   0.05086   0.01762   1.00000   0.19183


[Back to: Problems and Solutions] | [Back to: Tutorials]
[Back to: Powder Diffraction Structure Solution Pathways Index]
[Back to: Solving an Organic Structure (Cimetidine) from Powder Diffraction Data]

[Back to: Initial Connectivity Searching of the Cambridge database for Cimetidine like molecules using CORINA, Platon and Quest/CSD]
[Back to: Peak Profiling of Cimetidine using XFIT]
[Back to: Powder Indexing and Spacegroup Assignment of Cimetidine using the Crysfire and Chekcell combination of programs]
[Back to: CELL Searching the Cambridge database via Platon and Quest]
[Back to: Le Bail fitting and generating an EXPO starting file using LHPM-Rietica]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using the Sireware EXPO direct methods software]
[Back to: Finding possibly missing Symmetry in cimetidine using the Platon ADDSYM option]
[Back to: Searching the Cambridge database via Platon and Quest for related strutures]
[Back to: Generating a 2D to 3D fragement for fragment searching using the web based CORINA; then getting into a Shelx format using Ortep-3]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using Sir97 Single Crystal Direct Methods Software]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using Dirdif fragment searching]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using ESPOIR with no restraints]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using ESPOIR with bond restraints]
[Back to: Solve the structure of Cimetidine using ESPOIR with a combination of rigid bodies freely moving atoms] [Back to: Add Calculated Hydrogens using the Crystals Single Crystal Suite]
[Back to: Add Calculated Hydrogens using Shelxl-97 via SXGRAPH and WinGX]

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